I’ve made up my Mind about Photography Workshops


– Okay, so this video is
in response to an email I sent out to a group of people who are in my email or newsletter group. When I asked them whether or not I should get back into doing a couple of workshops. I’ve had a two year break, so this video is explaining my decision and how I
came to that decision. (gentle music) Okay, so just to clarify
then what I mean by workshop. In my own example, this
would be a case of where I’ve decided to put on
a one or two day event. I would decide on the content, what the theme was going to be, where we were going to be doing it, you know, where, what studio, who the model was, and so
on and so on and so on. And then once I’ve decided that, I’ve then advertised the tickets
availability on my website, people would then go to the website, buy a ticket, and then
come along on the day, and it would run like that. So that’s what I mean by workshop. What I’m not talking about is seminars, speaking engagements, maybe training events for particular kind of groups that have requested it, not talking about
anything like that at all. That is a big part of my business model. What we’re talking
about here is what we’ve all grown to be kind of
accepting is the definition of a traditional workshop. (gentle music) Now I really didn’t expect this, but I kinda get it why some people may have thought this was the case when I first of all emailed everyone to ask, you know, should I
or should I not do workshops. Some people may have
thought that this was really a kind of sneaky bit of advertising, and me fishing to sort of see what kind of reception would I get if I put on a workshops. What is the kind of demand for it? And then sure enough,
once I got the replies, bizarrely, two workshops were advertised, they’d get filled up and away I’d go. So, that isn’t the case. Alright, it’s not the case at all. This was genuinely me wanting
to find out what you think, and I can say that, you
know, whole heartedly because the decision I’ve made is actually that I will not be doing workshops. So you can see, this was
not a fishing exercise, any sneaky advertising, I won’t be doing workshops. (gentle music) So now you know that I’m
not going to be workshops. I thought I’d put this video together just to explain why as quickly and as easily as I could. I had so many replies, you can see, you know, just some of them here. I had so, whoops, so
many replies from people, but all I can say is I
read every single reply. And I did start to try to
reply to those people as well, that had taken the time to email me back. But you know, I physically cannot sit and spend all the time
replying to everybody. However much I’d like to. So I’m kinda hoping that
you’re okay with this, that by me putting this video together, it’s kinda me replying to you to say, look, thanks for
responding to my question, but this is the decision I’ve made and this is why I’ve made it. So I hope you’re okay with that. (gentle music) Okay, so let me explain another reason why I’ve decided not to do workshops, but before I do, I just need to, I’m just gonna preface that
with a bit of a disclaimer that in no way, shape, or form, what I’m gonna kinda go through now is it aimed at anybody in particular. You know, I’ve got friends
all around the world that run workshops and they’ve
been doing it for awhile, and they’re incredibly successful at it. My decision not to run workshops for the foreseeable
future is based purely on experiences, and maybe
I guess, even mistakes, and practises that I kinda employed when I was doing workshops,
that left me feeling that I wasn’t 100% happy
with how the days ran. Sure they were great days, but it didn’t feel good to me that there would always be somebody within the group that
didn’t get everything they wanted from the workshop. So, yeah, like I say, not aimed at anybody in particular, this is purely based
on my own experiences. (gentle music) So the fact that you
can’t please everybody just doesn’t sit right with me, you know? I thoroughly enjoy training. That is a big part of my business model, so if I’m finding that people are spending their hard earned cash, that they’ve, you know, they’ve worked for, they’re spending time
away from their family when they finally got a day off, to then come spend a one day or two days with me going through some photography and post production training, if they then go away not feeling that they’ve got what they wanted from it, it really doesn’t sit well with me. And it just makes me feel
very, very uncomfortable. But honestly, short of giving people a extra one to one focused attention at the end of a workshop,
for those people that didn’t kinda get it, I don’t really know how you can ever resolve this. I don’t see how you can ever make sure that everybody gets something from it that they actually wanted. There’ll always be people that have got different skill levels. There will always be people, no matter how you try to qualify people to come along, there will always be
somebody that either feels that the content was too basic for them, or maybe it was a little too advanced and it kinda went over their head. That will always be the case, no matter how you try to qualify them. So the fact that you’re always
gonna have somebody there who didn’t feel they
got their money’s worth, for me, just didn’t
and doesn’t feel right. But, you know, I haven’t
got the answers for this. I don’t really know how you
could qualify people for that. Maybe, that’s why I like
doing the training days for specific groups of people, who’ve, you know, a group of friends, or a group of work
colleagues who are working on a specific kinda project and they need to learn a certain skill. Those ones I absolutely love because it’s very, very focused on a particular kinda training package, I guess. But when it’s a workshop for anybody to come along to learn, you’re always gonna have people who don’t feel they’re
gonna get what they want, and I don’t like that. That just doesn’t feel right. (gentle music) Now one thing I really, one thing didn’t really like
about workshops as well, certainly the way that I ran them, and I kinda know from, you know, from all the replies that I’ve got here, that I’m not alone in
how I used to do this, but by the very nature
of what a workshop is, you get maybe 12, or you know, 12 to 15 people who come along. So you got all those people, you got all that content, there’s only so many hours in the day, so it would kinda run, I would go through kinda teaching at the start of the day, would then discuss what we’re going to do, and then the attendees would
watch me set everything up. So I would explain about the background. I would explain about how
to use the light stands, how to put a light on it, how to position the light
for the lighting cell that we wanted, doing the metering, setting the computer up
for tethered shooting, working with the model, and
so on, and so on, and so on. I would go through the whole thing, and then I would take a few shots, and the people would see the results. Then what would happen is, the attendees would get up one at a time, with their cameras, they’d come over, I’d give them a remote trigger which they’d then put
on top of their camera. I would tell them the settings
to put into their camera, and then they would take
three, four, or five shots, move out the way, the
next person would come up and do the same thing. And it was like this conveyor belt system. And my question is, how on earth, and I could see this, how on earth can somebody really
learn from that experience? If you are given everything on a plate, there you go, there’s your settings, how could you possibly learn that? Now if the workshop has been run in a way that it’s very structured, and very slow, and very methodical, so that they felt that they could then take that kind of hand to mouth kind of teaching
to then go and practise on their own time and get
it right, then fantastic. I’m sure there were people
that came along to mine that did that, and you know,
I did see the results of that happening when people would
share things on social media. But generally, and I know
this is a sweeping statement, but generally, how can
people who come to a workshop training that they’ve paid for, really learn when it comes to them just coming up, given the settings, taking the shot and moving away. There will always be
somebody who comes up, they don’t quite get
how you did something, but because maybe of peer pressure, maybe for fear of maybe
sounding a little bit stupid, which is crazy, I know, but maybe not, maybe for that reason they wouldn’t wanna put their hand up and say, “I didn’t quite get how you did that.” Because people are generally kinda polite and want to, don’t want to stand out, they’ll just go up and
they’ll just go with the flow. But that means then, ultimately,
at the end of the day, they’re gonna leave not really knowing what it was that they did,
or not really getting it. So, that again, is just something, a big part of workshops
I didn’t really like, this kind of conveyor belt system. (gentle music) I guess as well, I’ve
always from the start, I’ve always tried to separate
myself from the masses. Now everybody wants to be
a photographer these days, so a big part of what I
do is trying to say like, what is everybody doing? What can I do to do this different? And that’s why I’ve always employed that kinda attitude of, you know, if you wanna
develop your own style, you need to copy. Because if you copy, eventually
your own style will appear. But you talk about copying
in the photography circles, and it’s really frowned upon. But my argument always
is, if you want to develop your own style, you’ve
gotta have a starting point. So I’ve always kinda gone for that even though I was told
you never should do it. And it’s not done me too badly, you know, developing my own kinda style. But it seems to me that everybody, sweeping statements, I know, but everybody seems to
be running workshops. I remember when, a few years back now, it kinda felt to me that everybody wanted
to be a photographer. And a photographer, but a wedding photographer. You know, you’d have somebody brand new that not long been given a camera, that’d gone out and taken
some decent pictures. Friends and family had said, “Wow, they’re really great pictures!” Which is great, but then for some reason there was this kind of attitude of, “Hey, maybe I should set up in business. “And I’ll do weddings as a very quick way “of making money.” And that used to drive me insane. This is the most expensive day of someone’s life. The biggest day of their life, but to have the attitude of, “I’ll treat that as a way
of making some quick money.” I think is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Shameful, you should not ever think that. “What’s a quick way I
can make some money?” The focus should be on the
attendee, or the clients. Not on how much money you’re
gonna be making from it. Because if you’re good enough, the money will follow anyway. I’m going off track, but now, it’s kinda, there seems
to have been a shift certainly over the last couple years, where yesteryear people were kind of like, you know, new people getting involved and they were doing weddings
as a quick way of making money. Now it seems that they no
longer do the wedding stuff, they’re now starting to do the workshops. And again, I think that’s,
that’s really risky. You know, you actually may, you’re getting people to make a commitment of spending their money that
they’ve worked really hard for, getting away from families,
to come and spend the time to be taught by you. If they’re gonna do that, you
damn well better make sure that you’re good. You damn well better nail it for them so that they feel they’ve
got their money’s worth. Because if not, that’s
bad for them anyway, to have people leaving feeling that, like they wasted their money. That, that’s bad enough, but you know, if you’re
in this for the long term, and I really hope you are, there is no quick fix in this. You know, this is all about
building a solid business, if you’re in business. This is all about
building a solid business and building on it year
upon year upon year. But if you’re gonna be focused on saying, “How can I make some quick money?” That is such short term thinking, and incredibly damaging for your business, and for you as a photographer. It takes a long time to build a good name and a good reputation. A long time and a lot of money. But it can take seconds
to ruin a reputation. (gentle music) Now I could go on, but
I don’t want this video to be too long, so to sort of summarise, I won’t be doing workshops. You kinda heard the reasons
why I don’t wanna do workshops, but I guess if anything,
you could put all of those reasons why I’m not doing workshops under one kind of umbrella
of being the reason why. And that is because it didn’t feel right, or it didn’t feel best, for the attendee. One to ones, yeah, absolutely. They are perfect ’cause
they can be focused and cover exactly what that person needs. You can tailor make them. Seminars, training days,
all that kind of stuff, fantastic because you’re getting out a certain message to certain people. They can then leave with material that you’ve given them, so on, so forth. But when you’re running
a hands on workshop, where you’re expecting
to get a group of people coming along to spend their money to then go away and learn, I think, you know, it’s
not something I wanna do. It doesn’t feel the best way to to run a workshop. Now I’m saying now, that I’ll never, you know, I’m not doing them. Who knows, in the future? You know, never say never. In the future I may
decide to do them again, but that will only happen if I manage to find a way that I can qualify people to come along so that I know
when I’m running a workshop, or training day, that the people there are all on the same kinda level, alright? Even now, when I say that, that just sounds crazy. Sounds like you’re asking the impossible. But who knows? In the future, that may be possible. So I’ll never say never, but for now, I won’t be doing workshops. (gentle music) But number one, the overriding message is that the focus should
always be on the attendee. If you’re the kind of
person that is always having the attitude of, “How can I make some quick money? “What’s the, how much money
will I make from doing this?” If that is your number one focus, you’re in this for the wrong reason, okay? And it might sound corny, it might sound like I’m trying to be all kind of righteous and saying, “Oh look, I’m in this
for the right reason.” But I honestly believe that I am. I’m in this for the long term. I love teaching. I love training. There is no better feeling
that when you teach somebody something, they go, “I never knew I could do that.” When you can see that
you’ve taken somebody from point A to point B, it is the ultimate payment. And yeah, sure enough, being
paid isn’t a dirty word, but be paid knowing that what you’ve done is ethical, and it’s right, and it’s with all the best intentions. I don’t wanna sound like
I’m kinda preaching here, but I’m hoping that this
has been the best way that I can kinda let you know personally, why I won’t be doing workshops for now. My number one focus is, and
always has been on the attendee. And I don’t wanna be somebody that always comes across as being somebody that’s got money on the brain. “How much money can I make from this?” In my own heart, I feel that if I put all the focus on what is
right for the attendee, or for the client, the
money will follow anyway. What was that film? The old Kevin Costner film? Field of Dreams. Build it, and they will come. So all I’ll say is if you are looking at doing kind of training, if you’re looking to get into photography in any way, shape, or form, have your attendee and
your client as number one. That way, I honestly feel that you will be able to build the best business with the best reputation,
and you’ll just go from strength to strength. So I kinda hope this all makes sense. I know it might be a little
bit disjointed and whatever, but I needed to get it down,
on video, my reasons why. So again, thanks so much for all the replies that you sent through. Some of you sent reams of reply, and I really do appreciate it. Some of you sent some horrendous stories of experience that you’ve had doing workshops, so I appreciate
your honesty with that. You have been a massive help in me kinda finalising what my decision is for the foreseeable future. So, there you go, I’ll see you online. If you’re not already a
member of the newsletter or email group, please, you know, feel free to join that. It’s really going the way that I like it. It’s a very personal thing for me. It kinda makes it feel
like I did when I was a kid that when we used to
have pen pals and I used to write to people that
were in France and Germany, and I love that. So it’s very much a community that we’re building in a minute and I’m really liking the way that’s going, but again, thanks so
much for all the replies. Hope this makes sense,
and I’ll see you online. (gentle music)

84 Comments

  1. Jenny Gavin-Wear October 18, 2017 at 3:12 am

    Totally agree, your reasons for not doing them are the same reasons why I've never attended one.

  2. bevcomptonphoto October 18, 2017 at 3:24 am

    Well said Glyn! I couldn't agree more. I'd say you have just intrigued many to come to your workshop once you do decide to have one! Good luck!

  3. Photobrit56 October 18, 2017 at 3:43 am

    nicely said mate! Love your attitude

  4. John Koster October 18, 2017 at 4:10 am

    Well, I honestly have mixed feelings, because you're a great teacher. I understand your reasons, but to work with you in person would be terrific. I just bought your entire series for photoshop, so that will have to do!

  5. Martin Turner October 18, 2017 at 4:22 am

    This video made me want to fly from Australia to a workshop of yours for sure should you ever decide to start running them again. Thanks! I'll be satisfied for now with just learning a bunch from your videos and product offerings! :0)

  6. Joe Casillas October 18, 2017 at 4:56 am

    Hi Glyn. I’m not a photographer. I’m a Photoshop guy. I mostly do retouching in the movie entertainment and advertising. I wanted to say “Thank you” for everything. I was lucky to see you twice at Photoshop World. I do know a lot about Photoshop but some of your retouching techniques blew my mind. I had to say. How did you do that and why didn’t I think of that. I do follow you online, and enjoy your Tutorials. I can’t wait for your other future tutorials and your books as well. Thank you again, for taking time out of your schedule to teach all of us on YouTube!

  7. TheRcEngineer October 18, 2017 at 5:23 am

    Altough I am sure a live shooting with you would be awesome I am more than glad for your books and YouTube videos and there’s is still so much work for me to be done.

    BTW I despise this Portfolio making Workshops.

  8. Vernon Nash October 18, 2017 at 5:49 am

    Well said Glyn. Your thoughts are sound. Onwards and upwards. 😀👍

  9. John Skinner October 18, 2017 at 6:47 am

    Your workshops are a little too far to attend (for me) anyway. And being as I've been with you for 8? Years? I'm with ya through the gates of hell… Good fortune moving forward.
    Your the best Glyn.

  10. Kathy Aggiss October 18, 2017 at 7:11 am

    I understand 100%. Photography has changed so much these days, as you said, everyone wants to be a photographer. It must be soul destroying to feel you haven't delivered in some way which says an awful lot about the person you are. I will continue to watch and enjoy your Youtube tutorials and wish you all the best for the future.

  11. Ed van der Veer October 18, 2017 at 7:11 am

    Like your ‘WYSIWYG’ approach to all of this. By that I mean, that I genuinely appreciate your honesty. I had the pleasure of meeting you in person while doing a seminar over in The Netherlands and it was great to see, that you took the time to have a chat on photography. Even while you were extremely busy and getting ready for the next one. In my opinion, that’s what resounds best with other people, you being yourself (a really really nice bloke, without sucking up to you). That’s what they (and I most certainly) like and liked if they follow(ed) your tutorials on YouTube or anywhere else. Plain and simple, I follow you for your extensive knowledge on Photoshop AND the fact that you’re an overall nice guy, with great teaching skills. Learning from people that lack the right personality to get the information across, never worked for anybody. You seem to have found the right combination 😉 Happy to be part of one of your ‘followers’ Glyn!

  12. Jurgen Payne October 18, 2017 at 7:39 am

    Nicely put Glyn, I truly believe in your ethics it should and always will be for me as well about doing the right thing for the client and n my little experience the rest truly does follow 99% of the time. Hard work, passion and commitment really pays off in the long term which is what many people do not envisage, as they only look at the here and now and quick ££££'s

  13. Ian Munro Art October 18, 2017 at 7:49 am

    Very valid points mate especially the point you made about every Tom, Dick and Harry doing it.

  14. Barry Paffey October 18, 2017 at 8:06 am

    Totally agree, there are so many mediocre photographers doing workshops and training. They win a few golds or highly commended in the SWPP monthly comp and all of a sudden they are doing workshops. Clients rule, and if you cannot please and do your best for them you should give up and find another profession.

  15. Ineke & Fred October 18, 2017 at 8:20 am

    Although I regret you are not doing workshops, there are also other reasons why people go to workshops. As you know I am a student of Frank Doorhof. Let me tell me my story.  I heard Frank speaking once at an event and thought wouw I like his work. That was my primary reason to attent knowing that I did know how to hold a camera. The first time I came over I did not know anything about studio photography, modifiers or light metering. It all was acrabadabra for me. I came home full of energy and it changed everything for me, going into the studio photography. I think I was with Frank a dozen times. The knowledge and learning started to flow. I saw a bunch of youtube films and became a member of KelbyOne.  Learned about photoshop, used plug-ins and learned from  people like you. It keeps me young and engaged. I don't want to be a prof, it is just fun. The results are getting better and better. If I go to a workshop now I know that I am ahead of some attendees. But also helping others is great, or making friends in this field. And that is worth the money as well. All the joy you can get from working together, having a nice day which will cost me less then going out to a restaurant with friends. Perhaps you can take this also into account.  I agree that the instructor has to be someone great and professional. If you are curious who I am look at http://www. inekemighorst.nl.  Of course you can see the influence of Frank.

  16. Mike Williams October 18, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Hey Glyn, I am subscribed but didn't get the news letter this time for some reason. On emails 🙂 – It blows me away you respond to any emails at all mate, I dont know where you find the time with everything else ;-).
    And you know the old saying – You cant please everybody all the time.

  17. Slipstream Productions October 18, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Do a monthly subscription service. If it's priced right, you can reach more people and prolly make more $$ than doing workshops that mostly pros can afford. I really like your downloadable classes -that also have files to help follow along to be really helpful. I think the big benefit of the subscription base might be that you could afford to have more of a dialog after the class for people to ask questions, etc.

  18. ste lee October 18, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Well said Glyn and thank you for being so honest and up front about it.  Today, everyone seems to be an ambassador for some manufacturer or another with an hidden agenda to persuade you that you need this to take better photographs.

  19. Derek bell-jack October 18, 2017 at 10:00 am

    thanks glyn,once again,the integrity shows through in your thoughts and words.i will continue to follow and support you and your channel,and look forward,as usual,all your tutorials and downloads,great stuff mate.

  20. Dave Cooley October 18, 2017 at 10:10 am

    I think you answered your problem.. too many people in your workshops.. instead of 12 paying x have 4 paying 3x as you can give more and they in turn will learn more.

  21. ronfya October 18, 2017 at 10:33 am

    Hey Glyn, I am curious, what processes did you try to qualify people's skills level for your past workshops and why do you feel they failed ? Thanks.

  22. Bob Bell October 18, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Wow pretty sad to hear this! I learned a lot from your workshops, and had some good times. I do understand what you’re saying though, there were people there who needed a bit of extra time, and some was given but there’s only so much you can do in a day so things had to move along.
    I do think you have more to offer than most though Glyn, not only with your practical skills but the philosophy of why you should be doing it etc. and the more human aspects of creating ie relaxing models, shaving a few pounds off et al.
    Maybe, like someone has commented, a small group in future over a few days where you vet the applicants beforehand to see who’s in it for the right reasons? Just an idea.
    Either way, all the best for the future mate 👍

  23. Brian Rusinko October 18, 2017 at 11:38 am

    Well said Glyn – this video shows how much you truly do care as an instructor and wanting to make sure everyone sees the value in what you're providing. Thank you for always putting out quality content!

  24. Andrew Frost October 18, 2017 at 11:46 am

    Absolutely well said. Couldn't agree more.

  25. Jane Cooper October 18, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    You have always come across as a really compassionate man. I’ve enjoyed your you tube videos and find tthem valuable. I only wish that you came to Atlanta so that I could take several one on one classes. I can learn ps but the hands on camera is what I don’t do. Photograhy for me is a hobby and Portraits are my thing. I’ve gone to Photoshop World 4 or 5 times and really enjoyed them. Somehow I never made it to one of your classes. I wish I had. The last time that I went to Photoshop World their were far less attendees and that something magical was missing. Since then I’ve been looking for other workshops but I haven’t found many. I hope to go to Photoshop World this year in Orlando so I hope I see you there. Thank you for this video. It just proves that you are a very caring person, one that it would be my passion to know. Jane

  26. Steve Swope October 18, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    Well defined, you are exactly correct.  Keep up the good work.

  27. Joe Brennan October 18, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    Glyn, you could not have been more honest if you tried. Very well said and good luck for the future.

  28. Marc Herrmann October 18, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    I'll attend a portrait workshop in 1,5 weeks, the second workshop in this year, and just because I like the guy so much that I'm following on Youtube since plenty of years, now even on Facebook.

    But after having seen your video of today, and after having experienced in May at the other workshop that this time and money spent can be very much fun and yet quite without a significant outcome at the same time, I wonder whether I did right in spending another couple of hundreds of Euros…(I'll report later).

    I think we attendees must learn to better appreciate which workwhop is good for us, and the presenters must be more radical in the selection between beginners, intermediates, advanced, and pros. It's a bit the same problem in reverse of what I'm experiencing in my photo club: when I teach them PS or LR, 10% know already almost everything, 80% can follow so so, and the remaining 10% can simply not follow at all, and that is because I didn't properly define the appropriate audience. This will be changed in the future, for what concerns my own litte (and of course free of charge, in this case) workshops…

    By the way, I've loved the genuineness and determination with which you're defending your taken decision in this video. You're really different!…

  29. Belen Sheppard October 18, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    Thank you for your honest assessment of your workshops. Thank you more for being dedicated, concerned and wanting the best for your fans and subscribers! :))) #bless #truehuman #fanforlife!

  30. Robert Fousch October 18, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    Agree….the workshop train has left the station, its better to do monetized videos.

  31. XKSteve October 18, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    Some excellent points raised Glyn. Sorry I did not get time to reply to your email, I think you have come to the right conclusion and your views absolutely match my own.

  32. Steve Healy October 18, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    Hi Glyn, kind of sad that you have decided to do no more workshops (for the foreseeable future!) as I have always enjoyed the ones I have attended, but I do understand and agree with your reasoning. However should you decide to one to one training when you move to Devon….count me in buddy!!

  33. Andrew Miller October 18, 2017 at 2:46 pm

    I applaud your decision and really really wish some of the educators (?!) in the photography world would see sense and admit the same thing, albeit because the photographers themselves have no idea HOW to teach / train people.

  34. K Con October 18, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Just keep doing what you do Glyn.. your short informative videos are always a success.

  35. George Reilly October 18, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    What a great idea to address the reasons, responses and problems via a presentation rather than via individual email.

    Common sense I suppose, but I wouldn't have thought of this to reach everyone.

    Well done Glyn, again, a positive approach and as said a great idea.

    However, you've said that it's part of your business plan that you will run events for particular groups?
    If that's the case, then you are providing the support being asked for.

  36. Jason Lacey October 18, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Brilliant.. well said. Carry on, as you are doing, you are the best.

  37. Francisco Ortega October 18, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    I think its like with many interest groups. You have waves of something being popular and everyone thinks they can jump in and be successful. That is until they are put through the fire. After a few portrait sessions i too thought i was ready to take on wedding photography. Well i got my first chance. All was going well until the reception – my brand new 85mm 1.8 lens would not autofocus. No matter what i tried. So while i kept smiling and pushing the shutter button (making believe i was actually making some images) in my mind i was racking my brain on what to do. So i used my prior military experience to help me – when shooting rifles if you get a misfire or no fire at all there is a process you go through. I just modified it for my camera and lens. I shut the camera, removed the lens, re-seated the same, turned camera back on and viola. All was well. This made me realize quickly that the shooting part is easy – its having the skills and experience to cover all the what ifs. So i purposed in my mind to learn everything i could as soon as possible and practice during portrait sessions or shoots with models. One thing i believe is, "what separates a photographer from just a person with a camera is longevity". In the long run, those just into this for a quick buck will fade away; this stands true for the workshop folks as well. At least in my mind.

    I respect you as an instructor. I can always count on learning what i need, when i need it without all the fluff. I for one appreciate you.

    Frank

  38. Derek Smalls October 18, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    What I'd really love to see, and would be helpful to your followers, would be a chance to win a photo critique by you. Hold any sort of drawing to make it random, contact the winner and have them send 3-5 photos (unedited original and the final version of each) where you could tell them what is right as well as where to improve. I think this would be enormously helpful to all of the viewers, minimize your time investment, and allow followers from all over the world to participate instead of only those who are close enough to attend an event.

    Just my opinion.

  39. mike Bartlett October 18, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    I hope my reply helped with your decision and thanks for your reply. Great video reply by a guy with strong principles, keep doing what your doing Glyn!

  40. Ryan Gajsek October 18, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    You hit the nail on the head. Prequalifying people is so important. Just came off a night school course where the first 2 1/2 days were spent going over basic camera skills in a course that was supposed to be a portrait photography course. Most of my classmates should have had a beginner photography course under their belts before taking this one. I don't blame you your reasons for not doing workshops. I was so disappointed with this class.

  41. Martyn Fletcher October 18, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    Top vid Glyn. Open, honest and from the heart. I'm surprised at your decision (as you say everyone seems to be doing them) but totally respect you for making it. You're spot-on with the 'quick money' point too. Seems to be the focus of many these days. I'm sure this vid will be well received and you'll grow both your following and reputation as an educator. I'll certainly be tagging along for the whole ride. Cheers.

  42. Keith Lloyd October 18, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    I wish you well Glyn. Ive been following you for some time. and I hope to do so for many years to come. A well said video.

  43. RicheUK October 18, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    Interesting video. Great points made, I totally understand your reasoning for this decision.
    A well thought out response Glyn

  44. Ricardo Levenhagen October 19, 2017 at 12:19 am

    Well well said

  45. Rian Verweijmeren October 19, 2017 at 7:37 am

    Absolutely agree Glyn. Brave dicision !

  46. Wallace Shackleton October 19, 2017 at 8:52 am

    Thought provoking and honest.
    I've thought that some were "riding the gravy train" with workshops. Seemingly very expensive, so I think twice or three times about attending.
    I'm an occasional visitor to your channel, most of your stuff is not for me but what I have watched has been very useful.

  47. Lorraine Grey October 19, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    Hi Glyn, you never disappoint. You are followed by many because your come across as a caring sharing person. Thank you.

  48. Hans Preuss October 19, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    Hallo Glyn, I’m not a person of may words but I want to mention that I do applaud your honesty in this video as well as the rightful remarks about newcomers, trying to make the quick buck instead of focusing onto the actual client or task – well done, keep it up and hopefully we will get to see more of your testing videos, which I like a lot. All the best for the future, take care, cheers

  49. Hans Preuss October 19, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Sorry, not testing videos, but training videos 🙂

  50. Tanja Jensen October 19, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    This is why you are one of my favorite teachers Glyn! Thank you for your thoughts. A lot of respect comming form here (Y) (Y)

  51. Catherine Allen October 19, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    I do get your point of view, Glyn.  I remember fondly the workshop you did a while ago with Nigel the bodybuilder.  The one where you and Dave had to mop out the studio from some kind of flood before the workshop could begin.  I learned a lot from the day, so it can work but I agree that with a group it's hard to make sure everybody goes home satisfied.  Much better to work with groups who approach you, or 1 on 1.

  52. Keith James October 19, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    I think you should give a workshop on how not to have workshops. Let me know when you're in Indiana, I'll hook you up with a home-made Amish pie!

  53. david salter October 19, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    You are a very talented bloke, and deserve to succeed. All the best

  54. Martin Stokes October 19, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    well said and thanks for the explanation Glyn.,,well considered and sound points..

  55. luis aragao October 19, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    You have spoken from your heart. Your last thank you chapter is exactly why you should do workshops. I've been following you on youtube since I’ve started studying Photoshop. I follow a couple of people that have been an inspiration. One thing with you is you are always meaningfull. Like you have been on this video.

    The simple fact that you need for people to get something from your workshops is the reasing you should keep doing them. I went trhough lots of training where i missed exactly that. The pure commintment from the trainer.

    Thank you Glyn. I have learned a lot from your tutorials. To the point that i now wish to do workshops and aim to deliver that same kind of commitment. But yes, life is never perfect and it is very difficult to get a class on a similar skill level.

    What to do then? The best we can! And that’s just what you do. One of the best in the world. If you should not be doing workshops…who should?

  56. Rob Kennedy Photography October 20, 2017 at 2:29 am

    Fair play to you Glynn. Your genuine passion for what you do shines through.

    There seems to me to be a certain cult of personality thing going on in the Photography workshop world, where well known photographers charge crazy money for workshops where people are paying just to be in their presence.

    You are generous with your knowledge and that is obvious to anyone who has ever seen you I’m sure.

    Don’t change 🙂🙂

  57. Terry Turner October 20, 2017 at 6:56 am

    Glyn – you are a super bloke and when I need some help with Photoshop Post Processing (nearly every month) I look online for one of your tutorials and I am never disappointed. You are an expert trainer and as an enthusiastic amateur photographer with absolutely no qualifications I agree with everything you have said.
    Taking up your point about wedding photographers and wannabe trainers I once read an article from a very discerning writer that said something like “when you buy a violin you take lessons and learn and learn and learn over many years and eventually become a violinist but when some people buy a camera they become a photographer” !!!!!!!
    Keep up the good work I enjoy every minute of it.

  58. Les Aston October 20, 2017 at 2:29 pm

    I completely agree. Everybody is an expert now, ironically due to YouTube in many ways.

  59. Graham V October 20, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    Couldn't agree more!

  60. Charlie O'Brien October 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm

    Great points. I personally really dislike workshops. I've been in big rooms with hundreds (no names here) – there's no connection and you might learn 2 or 3 things to take away all day, plus the travel time and outrageous prices. Your tutorials are top notch and a great way to move forward.

  61. Paul Howard October 20, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    Thanks very much for that, Glyn! Very timely for me, as I just gave my first class ever this past weekend, not initiated by me, but only because I was requested to do so. It was an amazing experience, and I was actually asked about doing workshops. You've given me a lot to think about going forward. Very much appreciated!!

  62. Marcel Bauer October 20, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    Great video Glyn. You hit the nail on the head. Love your honesty. 🙂

  63. Nina Kirienko Photography October 20, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    Hi, Glyn. You are an amazing instructor – I get a huge amount from your YouTube and other online sessions. I understand your points about workshops, including focusing on the attendee, but it's not your job to determine if the workshop is a good fit for the attendee. It's your job to outline clearly what you plan to cover so that people can make an informed decision about attending. Frankly I'll never attend your sessions in person (unless you come to Canada) but I don't think you should stop doing workshops if the reason for stopping is a few negative comments. Stop doing them only because you can provide better information in other ways. And never stop what you do on YouTube.

  64. Jennifer Barnes October 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Totally understand and respect your reasoning. Your tutorials are brilliant and very hands on & instructive – long may they continue.

  65. Karen Koops October 20, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    Great attitude and great explanations. Thank you, I will follow you online and hope you will make a lot more photoshop tuturials!! Best wishes and hope to hearing from you soon again…Karen

  66. marycd1000 October 20, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    well – now i like you even more.

  67. Ross Chevalier October 20, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    It's your work, your decision and not up to others.  I fully support your decision mate and agree with you on the dissolution of quality in workshops and having turned them into a pocket picking business delivering marginal value for a lot of money.  It has to be about the customer.

  68. jdavidholmes October 20, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    Great sense of responsibility – not seen too much these days. Well done, thanks

  69. Heather Carslake October 20, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    Sorry, never replied to your emails, but I’ve never attended any Workshops, so had no useful comments to make. My own Photoshop ‘obsession’ started with 3 college courses, followed by a Monthly Digital Meeting given by the Photography Club I eventually joined! Please keep going with your brilliant videos, I learn such a lot from them, and your presentation. Looking forward now to watching your “Blending and Masking” Thanks again.
    Heather

  70. Herman Surkis October 20, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    The conveyor belt effect. Very annoying even if the workshop is free. And what you are describing is what many people want. One of the main reasons I am no longer doing workshops for the Camera Club. For me the fun of doing a workshop was the passing on of knowledge. Doing the entire setup so somebody can come along and do "click" and then claim it is their shot, and sometimes it was, did not sit well with me.

    One of the best workshops I have done was with Freeman Patterson. Day one it is a lecture. Day two we go to a location, he assigns sub-locations, and says "now use what you learned". He is constantly wandering helping people with vision or technical. But he does not set up the shot for you. Day three, we examine and critique each others images, with frequent input from Freeman. Try that in the usual 3hr workshop.

    But people seem to like what you no longer want to do, and I get it.

    The last workshop I did for the club that I enjoyed was 5 parts in 2 hour chunks, plus a final 4 hr location shoot/practice.

  71. Lisa Maier October 21, 2017 at 12:58 am

    Good luck and my hope you have great success! 🙂

  72. JIm Digby October 21, 2017 at 1:39 am

    Your honesty is refreshng. I have the impression that many of those who do workshops are doing them because they  can't make enough income doing their photography.

  73. Viva Habbit Van Assen October 21, 2017 at 3:24 am

    Hey Glyn, I love your tapes downloads. Do what makes you feel good. I tell you the last workshop I went to was a waist of my money and its wasn't the first but it is for sure the last . You're great and keep doing what you're doing.

  74. David Shandley October 21, 2017 at 9:02 am

    Hi Glyn, sorry you are not doing a workshop, but I do get it why not. At a club meeting last year in the tea break I asked you a couple of questions about your lighting setup, which helped me tremendously. So thank you for that, and your reasons for not doing a workshop for now.

  75. David Cuerdon October 22, 2017 at 1:27 am

    So Glyn how do I sign up for the workshop?

    Ha ha, I'm so funny! Seriously, excellent points made. Your training is always excellent and you should continue doing what you do best and what works for you and your followers. Cheers mate!

  76. Caroline O'Hara-Lambert October 22, 2017 at 5:37 am

    Well said Glyn. I appreciate all the help, time and downloads you give of your own free will. I would never have attended even if you had run a workshop but am aware of the fact that there are alot of photographers who are running workshops and I feel that it is only to make money, quickly. I would much rather pay for a 1 on 1 session where I know that I am getting the best advice that I pay for.
    Thanks so much for everything and continue doing what you are doing.

  77. phil n October 22, 2017 at 8:52 am

    Hi Glyn, interesting thoughts, I've been on workshops and one to ones, I would agree with your points although I get information from workshops training days certainly deliver more information.

  78. Stu Thornes October 22, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    I'm already subscribed to your Youtube channel Glyn, how do I receive your newsletters & emails though?

  79. Svatoslav Straka October 23, 2017 at 7:28 am

    Glyn, all this makes a perfect sense. I know that you don't want to be preaching, but there's just one word I'd add to this: AMEN. You speak for so many people out there.

  80. Edward Videos October 25, 2017 at 6:54 am

    thanks but no thank you

  81. Paul McCranie October 30, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Passion, ask anyone who gets up at 3 AM to shoot the Milky Way or someone who hikes miles for the perfect shot; knowing their work may never get bought or published, but they still do it anyway. You cannot buy passion. But you can acquire expertise and I think your Youtube content and newsletter are fantastic, Glyn. I sat in on your Photoshop World demo a couple of years ago. Wasn't there as much to learn the details as I was to see your workflow and hear your commentary on the process. And I saw your passion. There's hundreds of ways to improve your photography. A sponge absorbs from all sides.

  82. Dan Williams November 22, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    I stopped going to workshops about 5 years ago. I found that after travel expenses and workshop fees the value I received from attending didn't justify the expense. Additionally, workshops need to appeal to a rather broad spectrum and I found it a bit frustrating to attend a, let's say, portrait workshop and another attendee asks what an f stop is. The available information online is very useful and there are a number of online learning services that do a great job. I can buy a course that can be stored and replayed for about the cost of one night's stay in a decent hotel.

  83. John Christopher April 18, 2018 at 3:58 am

    Wow. I was moved by your operational thoughts and honesty in regard to ensuring that attendees left with more than they came with. Unfortunately, I've attended a workshop that was unorganized, unprofessional and overbooked with angry people who wanted to pull his hair out. Your consideration of others is refreshinig and I've just subscribed. All the best!

  84. Aik Creations Multimedia May 12, 2018 at 8:47 am

    Candid

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